Pennsylvania game commission adjusts doe tag figures
Harrisburg — It’s going to take change to maintain the status quo in regards to deer this year, it seems.
Pennsylvania game commissioners gave final approval to hunting seasons and bag limits at their most recent meeting in Harrisburg. They determined the number of doe licenses to be available as part of that.
Their objectives are to reduce the number of deer in three wildlife management units – 1B, 3C and 3D – and maintain them at existing levels in the remaining 19.
Achieving the latter goal meant tweaking the norm a bit, though.
Commissioners actually increased the number of doe licenses to be available – though not always by as much as biologists recommended – in seven units.
In unit 2G, for example, the commission allocated 23,000 doe tags last fall. Biologists wanted 43,000 for this year. Commissioners ultimately settled on 33,000, one of seven cases in which they deviated from the official recommendation.
The additional doe licenses are needed to keep the herd where it is because it’s seen “some pretty significant population increases” over the last four years, said Commissioner Dave Putnam, of Centre County.
Unit 2G, for example, had 67,875 deer in 2007, according to commission estimates. Last year it had 109,741.
Ned Carter, land manager for Collins Pine Co., the state’s largest private landowner, told commissioners during the public testimony portion of their meeting that if such growth continues, recent habitat improvements could evaporate.
“If we stabilize things where we are, though, I think we can sustainably manage our lands,” Carter said.
Putnam said he and the board share that goal. The doe license allocation is meant to achieve it, he added.
“I don’t want to see us lose some of the gains we’ve made,” Putnam said.
Maintaining the status quo meant offering fewer doe licenses than last year in nine other units. The most striking of those are 2B, 5C and 5B, which surround special regulations areas.
For years, the objective has been to reduce deer numbers in those highly urban, populated areas. That’s no longer the case.
The change was prompted by the random survey of state residents done this winter for the commission by Responsive Management. It showed that most people are OK with the number of deer out there right now.
In unit 2B, for example, 52 percent of those surveyed indicated the deer population was “just right.” Nine percent said it was “too low,” and 32 percent said it was “too high.”
The commission’s change is a reflection of that, said Chris Rosenberry, chief deer biologist for the agency.
“Obviously, deer are not equally distributed across the wildlife management unit or any land area. So there may exist areas where residents want fewer deer,” Rosenberry said. “But for the wildlife management unit, the objective is to stabilize the deer population based on the citizen survey.”
Of course, none of the allocations will keep everyone happy, if history is any guide.
The commission this winter did two surveys, one of deer hunters at random and one of hunters known to have killed at least one deer this past fall. About two-thirds of respondents said the deer population is too low, Rosenberry said.
Interestingly, that’s virtually the same percentage that complained of too few deer in the mid-1990s – “what some would refer to as the good old days” – when a similar survey was conducted, he added.
The same surveys showed that 36 percent of hunters support the goals of having healthy deer and healthy forests, but not if that means seeing fewer deer, noted Commissioner Ron Weaner, of Adams
County. Fifty-one percent said they would not support the goal of minimizing deer-human conflicts if that means fewer deer.
All of that dismayed him more than anything, he said.
“What I take from that is, hunters might say they agree with our goals and everything, but when it comes to deer, the bottom line is they just want to see more of them,” Weaner said.
“The goals are OK, but if achieving those goals means reducing deer populations, that support erodes considerably,” Rosenberry agreed.
Weaner also pointed out that 8 percent of hunters known to have killed a deer denied it.
“We know they took a deer. We saw it at a butcher shop. And they still said they hadn’t killed anything,” Weaner said.
That, he added, tells him that certain people will never be satisfied with any deer program, no matter what.
“We can get all excited about what we see and hear here today, but at some point we just have to do what we think is right and move ahead,” Weaner said.
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Typical pgc commissioner drivel. They are interested in nothing but killing more deer. Its no wonder the people lie about their harvests. They have no desire to support the fraud that is occurring.
And no, its not a matter of certain people never being satisfied no matter what. Its a matter of MANY peoople not satisified with things currently, thanks to some of the same problematic board members mentioned in the article.
I can't wait to see how many more licenses aren't sold again this year. The numbers keep going down , instead of up. To me that is a really big telling factor. That people aren't buying hunting licenses because they are upset with how the PGC is running things. If I don't see more deer this year , it will be my last year to hunt in PA.
With the mild winter we just had I think the extra licenses are needed. The population has to be up a little anyway no winter kill to speak of. And besides no sense getting upset about it the PGC is going to stay the course no matter what!
With 700,000 hunters in PA. and last years kill " set"
at 336,000. one out of two hunters got a deer!!!
Did you get a deer last year??
No I got two! I don't agree with everything PGC does but its all about what an individual get's out of the hunt, not weather you harvest a deer.
The greed commission truly is a joke. Firings are what we need at the pgc. And arrests might even be deserved for this stuff---
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LOGCABINCAT - The math doesn't work like that. Since hunters get multiple tags and some hunters are very successful while most are not successful at all, the math doesn't work out to 1/2 the hunters in the state killing a deer. It's more like 25% of the hunters will kill 1 or more deer to contribute to 100% of the total harvest. Most people who go out deer hunting will not kill a deer.
"Did you get a deer last year??"
Actually, I got 4. 1 buck, 1 regular antlerless, and 2 DMAP antlerless, and I was done hunting before the rifle season (2 bow, 2 muzzle loader). In 2010 I killed 2 deer (1 muzzle loader, 1 rifle), and in 2009 I killed 3 (1 bow, 2 rifle). I don't know where in PA you're hunting, but there was definitely deer where I hunted.
Bioguy- So we are to assume of the 8 deer that you've shot in the last 3 years only one was a buck? So it sounds like you've bought into this fiasco that the PGC calls deer management!?!?! I find it amusing that the other states around us WV,Ohio,DE, etc. have mandatory check stations and yet we continue to use the same process for the last 40 plus years. WHY? So the PGC can manipulate the harvest and the herd anyway that they see fit. BTW please try to find another state that has no idea as to what their deer population is! So as SPORTSMEN we are trying to to recruit young hunters into our SPORT and we have people that brag about the multiple does that they shoot each year!!! Now I have some substance to explain to my 3 sons why the deer herd is declining each year.