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Change to WMUs is debated at PGC

Posted on June 7, 2012

Harrisburg — Well, that didn’t go well.

Pennsylvania Game commissioners held a work group session in Harrisburg May 29, with the main discussion item a review of the state’s wildlife management unit system. Biologist John Dunn rolled out a list of nine changes suggested by staff – some of which his committee planned to recommend, some of which they didn’t – for the board.

He had only gotten as far as the second possible change, though, when Commissioner Bob Schlemmer, of Westmoreland County, raised some vehement objections. And things only went downhill from there.

In fact, by the time the debate was over, board President Ralph Martone, of Lawrence County, felt compelled to point out that the questions raised by commissioners were not “personal attacks” on staff.

“We knew this was going to be difficult,” he said.

It was. That started with Schelmmer’s opposition to the change proposed for Wildlife Management Unit 2B, which
surrounds Pittsburgh. Schlemmer had said several times in the past that he wanted to see the unit made smaller, so as to better direct hunter pressure for deer into Allegheny County and away from the unit’s fringes.

Staff’s proposal, though, would actually have made the unit bigger by extending its borders further west to Route 18 into Washington County, further south to Route 40 and Uniontown in Fayette County and further east to Route 981 and Latrobe in Westmoreland County. That idea left Schlemmer agitated.

“I can’t quite believe what’s going on here,” he said. “This is not acceptable at this point.”

Dunn had said earlier that his committee weighed any potential changes to boundaries based on such factors as human population densities, land use and landowner conflicts, habitat, the ability to maintain consistent databases and more.

In unit 2B’s case, moving the boundaries would be “proactive” because of the decades-long trend that’s seen people leaving Pittsburgh to live in the ever-expanding suburbs, added Cal DuBrock, chief of the commission’s wildlife division.

Schlemmer wasn’t buying it. Right now, he said, so many hunters converge on the unit’s fringes in the late deer seasons that begin after Christmas that the best strategy in the woods then is to “duck and run.”

That’s causing problems for landowners, he said.

When someone suggested that changing the boundaries for that reason wasn’t scientifically based, he was unmoved.

“I don’t know of anything that goes on in this world that doesn’t have social and political implications. I don’t care if it’s Afghanistan or right here in 2B,” he said. “I think we need to go back and revisit this.”

That whole back-and-forth was just a warm-up for what came a few minutes later, though.

Dunn said staff looked at Wildlife Management Unit 2G and decided that calls to cut it in half were not supported by a review of its makeup. It’s almost uniformly forested, public land, he said.

That set off Commissioner Dave Putnam, of Centre County, one of those who’s long called for dividing the unit into northern and southern sections.

“This is disingenuous. This is dishonest. This is bad science,” he said.

The commission’s review of the unit made no mention of the fact that one half of it is largely oak able to support more wildlife while one half is cherry and beech and able to support less, or that one half is largely even-age timber while the other is seeing much more aggressive cutting. That led him to wonder if the commission’s proposal to leave the unit as is was a “purposeful misrepresentation” of the facts.

“This is either a deliberate attempt to make me look like an idiot or to make the board look like idiots,” he charged.

A visibly angry Executive Director Carl Roe denied that and said staff based its recommendation only on a review of the unit’s makeup.

Putnam countered by saying that a cursory review of the unit might lead someone to that conclusion. But a more detailed look at things – using data “in this building” – shows that’s wrong, he said.

That left him to wonder if the entire review was faulty.

“Is it all wrong? Is it all disingenuous? Is it all an attempt to maintain the status quo?” he asked.

Putnam also expressed frustration that the group reviewing the units couldn’t agree to “tweak” unit 3A and shave some territory off its eastern edge, given that it’s different from the rest of the unit.

The final salvo in the debate came, though, when it came time to discuss unit 3D in the northeast.

Some within the agency had recommended splitting it into pieces, but Dunn said a review of its topography, bear harvest data and more argued against it.

That didn’t convince Commissioner Jay Delaney, of Luzerne County. Parts of the unit have seen no forest health improvements in 10 years and deer harvests per square mile remain among the lowest in the state, at least in areas, he said. Mapping of the unit shows a portion is visibly different than the rest, he added.

Why that wouldn’t lead to change, he said he couldn’t understand.

“I’m as disappointed as my fellow commissioners with where we’re at with this,” he said.

He also expressed frustration that not every member of the unit review committee was present and available to answer questions.

“That’s not good enough. That’s not acceptable,” he said.

In the end, commissioners sent staff away with instructions to revisit the boundaries for units 2B, 2G, 3A and 3D. They’ll have to work fast.

Roe said the staff will give commissioners another presentation at their June meeting. Final approval of any unit boundary changes must follow no later than commissioners’ last meeting of the year in

September so that they can plan for seasons and bag limits for 2013-14 in January, he added.

“So we’ve got some work to do,” DuBrock said.

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Jun 7, 2012 10:47 am
 Posted by  Sandman

“This is disingenuous. This is dishonest. This is bad science,”

Welcome to the pennsylvania deer management plan Ralph.

And refusal to change boundaries of a couple of units and giving self serving data to that end is the LEAST of the deciet that has occurred thusfar.

Jun 9, 2012 01:39 am
 Posted by  bioguy

"The commission’s review of the unit made no mention of the fact that one half of it is largely oak able to support more wildlife while one half is cherry and beech and able to support less, or that one half is largely even-age timber while the other is seeing much more aggressive cutting."

1. Mast crops are UNPREDICTABLE, regardless if it's oak, beech, or cherry! Some years there will be lots of mast, others there will be hardly anything. When acorns are not available, an oak forest will not support much for wildlife. A responsible wildlife manager manages for the bust years because that is the habitat's true carrying capacity.

2. Mast is only available for a few months each year...what are wildlife supposed to feed on the rest of the year? Low nutrition browse will not support a large number of deer, no matter how you slice up a WMU.

3. Aggressive cutting produces browse for deer, but unless it is maintained in that state, it will not support a large number of deer for very long. Five to ten years after a cut, the regeneration will grow beyond the reach of the deer and reduce the carrying capacity.

4. Splitting 2G won't solve anything if 25,000 antlerless tags gets split into 12,000 for 1 unit and 13,000 for the other.

I agree that 2G needs special attention, but it doesn't need to be split up. Some boundary adjustments could be made to a few other WMUs though, particularly those near major cities.

Jun 9, 2012 03:32 pm
 Posted by  Stanley L.

As always with you, the hunter views (and most want smaller units) just doesnt matter, does it Kathy? I guess smaller units just do not amount to more trillium and hobblebush.

Jun 9, 2012 09:46 pm
 Posted by  apollodog

It doesn't matter what subject of article is about. If there is a reference to deer in it sandman jumps on his soapbox to trash the PGC. If anything is ever printed that he agrees,or at least doesn't gripe about everybody will probably faint. I hunt 2G and maybe splitting it up will help. At least it is trying something.

Jun 10, 2012 12:07 pm
 Posted by  REAL HUNTER

I dont see sandman complain about anything that most hunters around here arent complaining about.

But exactly how many names do you need here Cathy?

Jun 10, 2012 03:32 pm
 Posted by  apollodog

Here we go again if you take a different stance you are all the same person. Really,what difference does it make. The PGC has a agenda set and I don't believe they are going to change because a few people want them to. I hunt northern half of 2G, while I didn't see a great number of deer I seen enough to keep going back. Maybe a split would help the cause. What happens if they do nothing? Nothing is what happens.

Jun 10, 2012 08:36 pm
 Posted by  Stanley L.

Realhunter, she is really something else that one. Can not stand not being the focus of attention.

Jun 10, 2012 09:44 pm
 Posted by  Sandman

I wouldnt call the majority of Pa hunters "a few people" gal. You might because you dont care about what we hunters want, so its easy to downplay our concerns.

Jun 11, 2012 04:55 am
 Posted by  apollodog

Well there can't be droves of hunters or they would do something. And as far as I know when I shaved a few minutes ago I was a Man. This is a discussion board. It seems you all want to bully everyone off who is not of the same opinion as yours. Well you won with me Goodbye!!!

Jun 11, 2012 08:54 pm
 Posted by  Sandman

Actually there are droves of hunters. Two recent pgc surveys support that statement.

Dont see any "bullying" by anyone. Just some facts stated.

As for leaving, Bye bye. What will that leave you with only 3 more ids? What a tragedy. lol.

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