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Harvest reporting flap: No big deal?

Posted on July 5, 2012

Harrisburg — Seems like every conversation these days about Pennsylvania deer management eventually comes around to so many hunters not reporting animals they kill, and how that makes the Game Commission’s harvest estimates inaccurate.

Truth is, only about a third of successful hunters actually report their deer kills to the commission.

In communications with this newspaper, many Keystone State sportsmen have contended that the agency should strictly enforce the mandatory harvest-reporting regulation in Title 34 (the Game Code).

Many readers have advocated fining hunters who don’t report deer kills (the fine stipulated in the Game Code for failure to report is just $25) and withholding hunting licenses the following year from hunters who kill deer and don’t inform the commission.

But it’s not that simple, Game Commission officials caution, explaining that enforcement is fraught with political, legal and social ramifications.

About 20 years ago, recalled Cal DuBrock, director of the agency’s Bureau of Wildlife Management, the Game Commission sent thousands of letters out to hunters who did not report.

“But it was a real fiasco,” he said. “Some simply sent back the fine, but others called and
complained that they had reported as required, others engaged their legislators as their advocates and others requested hearings.

“I don’t know the numbers, but the cost of mailing the initial letters and subsequent administrative process – including accepting sworn affidavits that they had reported – was exorbitant. The negative political and social costs can’t be calculated, but this didn’t help our public image.”

That harvest-reporting-enforcement effort also triggered a backlash from deer processors, DuBrock remembers, who protested that it was a detriment to their business, saying the action was a deterrent to license sales and hunter retention.

The commission has not, DuBrock believes, withheld regular deer licenses from hunters who were caught failing to report deer kills the year before, however its experience with the DMAP program a few years back indicated that tactic would blow up in the agency’s face, too.

“Reporting was a requirement for DMAP permits in 2004-05 and hunters were denied permits the following year if they didn’t,” he said. “But the outcry from affected hunters created a social, political and administrative disaster.

“PGC personnel spent hours answering phone calls, reviewing harvest reports and accepting sworn affidavits from hunters who said they reported.”

The social, political and administrative costs of punishing hunters for not reporting was not worth the benefit, DuBrock pointed out.

Game Commissioner Dave Putnam, of Centre County, who represents the northcentral part of the state on the agency’s board, thinks the reporting issue is a bit of a red herring.

Are hunters required to report their deer kills? Yes, of course they are, he said. But even if two thirds don’t – as is the case now – it doesn’t affect the accuracy of the commission’s harvest estimates and antlerless license allocations.

He suggested many hunters don’t understand that it probably  isn’t worth spending much money to get a few more percent of hunters to report their harvests.

“Should everyone report? Absolutely, but people aren’t perfect and our procedures need to recognize and account for that fact,” he said.

“Commission personnel annually check a sample of harvested deer each year – in the field and at butcher shops – during the hunting seasons and compare these records in February with harvest reports to determine reporting rates.” 

The commission realizes that most successful hunters do not report deer kills, Putnam pointed out, even though the agency has expanded reporting methods to include mailing post cards, making telephone calls and using the Internet.

“We concluded that as long as we could calculate reporting rates to determine the deer harvest, citing hunters who don’t report is not a prudent action,” he said.

“The reporting rate doesn’t matter, so long as we know what that rate is.”

In addition, Putnam explained  that commission officials know from surveys that hunters prefer the available reporting methods and, a majority of hunters recognize that low reporting rates  reflect poorly on their fellow hunters.

“This is not about methods or anything the PGC does or does not do – we have done everything we can do to make this process easy and convenient,” he said.

“It is a real issue when two thirds of our hunters blow off the rules and fail to report deer kills. But from a biological and management standpoint, we have the data to know within a reasonable degree of scientific certainty what that deer harvest is.”

No matter what system the commission uses, it will never get 100 percent reporting, Putnam lamented.

“So it would be a lot of work and expense to get that extra 1 or 2 percent. I don’t think it would make any difference from a management standpoint.”

Putnam responded to one suggestion he has heard from sportsmen, that hunters be required to report to the commission – whether they kill a deer or not  – via the state’s automated license system.

Even if a majority could be persuaded to do that, it would be costly. Putnam said each of those reports would cost the commission 50 cents – and accepting all those reports of “negative success” – would add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in expense for the agency.

“When you look at it in great detail, there are a lot of different things that can be done,” he said.

“Hunters complying with the laws, that is one issue. But from a biological standpoint, it would not make any difference in our recommendations or our estimate of the hunter deer kill.”

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Jul 5, 2012 08:02 pm
 Posted by  deer hunter

Their is no reason in this day and age why we can't report all tags used and unused. The cost to record these tags should be included in the cost of the tags, that way their is no added burden on the PGC. I know it would take a act of legislature to add the cost but I don't see a problem with that.

The PGC uses data collected from in field checks and from processors to compute their estimate, I'm just guessing here but I believe that some WMUs don't get as many (or any) field checks as some of the others which accounts for the lower report rate in those WMUs, after all if you know your deer was checked you would be more likely to report it.

Most hunters know that the PGC can't enforce their report law because if they did then those of us who take our deer to processors would start to report at a higher rate and those of us who butcher deer ourselves would still report at the same rate which would skew the harvest estimate. The way it is now the PGC assumes we all report at the same rate.

JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT...

Jul 5, 2012 08:36 pm
 Posted by  apollodog

I got caught up in that mess. A deputy checked my deer at our camp, I said I was going to mail report card on the way home and did. Then in March of the next year I got a letter trying to extort a $15.00 donation or I would be fined a higher amount. I simply asked them to prove I never sent it in never paid extortion money and never heard another thing about it..

Jul 6, 2012 11:01 am
 Posted by  Sandman

Mandating everyone to report, successful or not would eliminate the fudge factor, which pgc I believe enjoys having the luxury of.

I think credibility with the fraudulent agency is the #1 issue for low reporting. Hunters do not trust them, or want to "help" them.

Compare to Ohio, where, given the buck harvest actually reported, with no noncompliance added in like pa, the buck harvest would have to as high or higher than Pas with even a very modest amount of noncompliance if it were indeed accounted for. This would leave one to believe that the buck harvest compares much better to Pas than most realize, and/or the harvest reporting rate has to be MUCH higher. Their "reported harvest" of buck is double our reported harvest of buck.

Hunter laziness isnt the issue. I doubt that hunters in Pa are twice as lazy as the hunters right next door.

I do happen to know, tonkovich has a GREAT relationship overall with his states hunters. Pgc has the worst in the nation. I believe that may not be 100% as to why hunters do not report, but is a large reason why our rate is so low, and continuing to decline.

Jul 6, 2012 03:30 pm
 Posted by  Stanley L.

I agree with sand man. Credibility and trust from hunters are severely lacking at the greed commission. The best way to improve that would be for Cal Dubrock and Carl Roe to announce their retirements.

Jul 6, 2012 07:42 pm
 Posted by  bioguy

"Their is no reason in this day and age why we can't report all tags used and unused. The cost to record these tags should be included in the cost of the tags, that way their is no added burden on the PGC."

It's not just about the cost of processing the tags, but also the logistical burden of processing and entering data on 700,000+ tags. How long and how many people do you think it would take to sort through that mess, and is it worth all that effort to increase the accuracy of the estimates by 5% or less? I know this is a hot-button issue for you Deer Hunter, so I won't press it further, but it is important to understand the logistics of processing 700,000+ tags.

Jul 6, 2012 08:49 pm
 Posted by  Sandman

You do know that todays data processors dont type with one finger using a type writer dont you? lol.


Could be set up so that they would also only have to manually process those harvests that were mail sent, and not called in reports or done via internet.

And for some experienced people, it would not be a problem. In the past I had worked in a setting that utilized around a dozen full time permanent data entry personell, and the speed at which they operated was truly impressive.

There is no excuse against other than perhaps not thinking it "necessary", which I somewhat agree.

Besides, harvest reporting is far from the more significant issues effecting our failed deer management program.

Jul 6, 2012 08:59 pm
 Posted by  Sandman

"750,000 tags"

Ha ha. Yeah, Kathy, thats probably about how many we SHOULD have. lol.

You meant deer hunters I think?

Jul 7, 2012 01:16 pm
 Posted by  apollodog

Right on schedule Everybody is on topic, sandman first to personally attack. Next should be alter ego Stan L. What happened to commenting on article and moving on. Those were your words sandman!

Jul 7, 2012 04:04 pm
 Posted by  deer hunter

And we were all getting along so well too. This is one issue that I agree with Sandman on, but don't worry I'll soon be called Bioguy again LOL... Anyway...Bioguy (me) If the mail-in cards were elimated (which will probably happen sooner or later) the reporting will all be computerized and very little manpower will be needed.

Jul 7, 2012 07:04 pm
 Posted by  apollodog

Deer hunter you are probably right about the Computer doing the work. But the PGC doesn't like to move to fast on stuff that makes sense. Look how they cling to the antiquated anterless deer system, with the snail mail process!!

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