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Changes for deer season discussed

Posted on January 3, 2013

Harrisburg — Don’t be surprised if Pennsylvania’s deer seasons change again, perhaps in time for next fall, and maybe, in even bigger ways, in the not too distant future.

Pennsylvania game commis-sioners and agency staff gave some hints of what might be in the works at the board’s work group meeting in Harrisburg in December.

Calvin DuBrock, director of the Bureau of Wildlife Management, said the agency’s deer team is again going to recommend that the board adopt 12-day, concurrent buck and doe seasons for all of the state’s 22 wildlife management units.

That allows the agency to control deer numbers via the number of doe licenses made available, he said. DuBrock added that the commission is not in all cases meeting its deer goals in units with five days of buck-only hunting, followed by seven days of buck and doe hunting.

Long-term, concurrent seasons offer sportsmen more flexibility time-wise. That’s important to the next generation of hunters, he noted.

“The 12-day season is the preference of the people who are our future,” DuBrock said, noting that a deer hunter survey done by the commission found that hunters up through their 30s like it over any other option. It’s older hunters – those 60 and older – who form the basis of opposition to the 12-day season, he added.

Commissioner Ron Weaner, of Adams County, said that fact, and anecdotal evidence that shows people are shifting to hunt areas where concurrent buck and doe hunting is allowed throughout the firearms deer season, has him believing a 12-day season is the way to go.

Commissioner Jay Delaney, of Luzerne County, disagreed. He said the preference for a 12-day season, while real, is slight. He said he favors leaving things as is for a few more years.

Commissioner Dave Putnam, of Centre County, meanwhile, said it’s time to start thinking about an even more radical change. That would be moving the opening day of the firearms deer season – traditionally the Monday after Thanksgiving – to a Saturday instead.

The commission moved opening day of the statewide bear season to a Saturday a few years ago. That was heresy to some at the time, but has since become very popular, he said.

With surveys showing that hunters always cite a lack of time as the main reason they can’t get into the woods, could a Saturday opener for deer also be a good idea some time down the road, he wondered.

“A Saturday opener for deer might be something we want to talk about. I’m not sure we want to do it. But I think we want to discuss it,” Putnam said.

Commission President Ralph Martone, of Lawrence County, a teacher by trade, said school districts under pressure to meet state standards are increasingly going away from giving students the Monday opener off, too. That trend is only likely to continue, he said.

That’s another reason why it might be time soon to start thinking about whether a Saturday opener makes sense, he said.

“I think there’s validity in getting that discussion out there,” Martone said.

Starting the season on a Saturday might come with tradeoffs, though, said commission Executive Director Carl Roe.

In years’ past, when bear season started on a Monday, that was the busiest day in terms of hunter effort. Now Saturday – when more people can hunt without having to take a day off work – is by far the busier day, he said.

If the same were to hold true with deer, a likely scenario, the season might have to be shortened by a few days to account for a change in hunter behavior that would perhaps impact the harvest, he said.

DuBrock admitted that he could not say what impact opening deer season on a Saturday might have, but commissioners have asked him to investigate the idea and report back to them.

In the meantime, Martone asked staff to investigate whether it might be possible to add another week to the archery deer season without hurting the deer herd. That prompted some concern among fellow board members.

In the early 1990s, the archery harvest was about 5 percent of the total deer harvest. Now it’s about 25 percent, according to commission figures.

Giving archers more time – and allowing them to take a greater percentage of the deer, and bucks in particular, given that an extended archery season would go into the rut – could turn off rifle hunters who only get out one or two days a year, but who make up a large percentage of license buyers, said Weaner.

“They may not seem like ‘real hunters’ to some people, given how little time they get to spend in the woods. But they’re still buying licenses. We need to keep as many of them as possible,” Weaner said. “I don’t think disenfranchising them is the way to go.”

Martone, though, said archers aren’t killing too many deer, as some believe.

“If archers were buying one- third of the licenses and taking two-thirds of the deer, I wouldn’t hesitate to change things. But they’re buying one-third of the licenses and taking one-third of the deer,” he said. “I think that’s fair.”

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Jan 3, 2013 04:28 pm
 Posted by  Sandman

Kill 'em all boys. One or two deer might make it through the season in the current format. Stretch the season out and add a billion more tags. A deer might eat 3 of your wildflowers PGC ecofreaks!

Roe & Dubrock needed fired years ago. And the commissioners are a product of a complete and total joke political appointment process.

No surprise they want more deer dead. As long as the current system of fraud is in place, it will be the agenda long into the future.

Jan 3, 2013 04:57 pm
 Posted by  Stanley L.

Comical how they try to make finding yet another way to decimate the deer herd sound like they are doing us the favor.

They truly are a joke.

Jan 4, 2013 04:08 pm
 Posted by  apollodog

Maybe they are not doing you two gentlemen a favor with this. But starting the season on a Saturday, would help kids who are in sports. And in your haste to start gripping you missed part where schools are going away from giving first day, Monday opener off. What your trying to say is every extra person who might get to go are going to get a deer? And besides this is just a proposal now. Everybody got there shorts in a twist over Sunday hunting, where did that go. Nowhere.

Jan 4, 2013 05:39 pm
 Posted by  Maverick

"Everybody got there shorts in a twist over Sunday hunting, where did that go. Nowhere."

Forgive me if I am skeptical if Sunday hunting is still going nowhere. Forgive me if I'm skeptical if these proposals don't go nowhere.

When are we going to have some lesilation passed designed to bring some of our deer back? How low does the deer population have to be and how long does it have to stay that low?

Jan 4, 2013 06:07 pm
 Posted by  Sandman

"But starting the season on a Saturday, would help kids who are in sports."

Yeah, because everyone knows the biggest problem isn't overharvest and too few deer, the much more glaring problem is that the kids are swamped with sports on the Monday opener now as it is, so we need to move it to saturday? lmao.

"What your trying to say is every extra person who might get to go are going to get a deer?"

Oh....yeah.... Thats what I was trying to say exactly. (lmao. Note sarcasm)

It doesn't have to be every extra person. More reduction is more reduction. Why not cut the allocations by 100,000. By your logic, the people holding those tags wouldnt ALL-every one- have gotten a deer anyway, so no loss. lmao. Only thing is, that would be a BENEFICIAL change. Can't have that. lol.

"And besides this is just a proposal now."

And they want input. Well I am giving my input.

"And in your haste to start gripping you missed part where schools are going away from giving first day, Monday opener off."

Really? I'd really like to see this long list of schools, because it sounds like more pure pgc bull-. Martone has a habitat and history of really doling it out when trying to get more deer kilt. lol

I'm not aware of any such schools and every one that I am aware of is off on Monday, although won't doubt the possibility of one existing.

Anyway, it aint broke don't mess with it. If you want to address something broke, we don't need to look far...

Jan 5, 2013 10:56 am
 Posted by  apollodog

Sandman: Time for a dose of reality, Everyone was against the antler restrictions when first proposed. I was at Mr. Alts meetings in both Somerset and Pitt Campus Greensburg. They had binders full of signatures against it from hunters. And next thing you know we have it, and the majority was for it? They may have to shave a few antler-less licenses. But I'll bet next year there is a concurrent 12 day combined season in all management units. That's what they want, and if the biologists want a Saturday opener we will get it also.

Jan 5, 2013 06:06 pm
 Posted by  rkjl78

If you want the starting day of deer rifle season to be on a Saturday, then let us be able to hunt on a Sunday instead of having to wait till Monday for the next day to hunt!!!!!

Jan 5, 2013 08:56 pm
 Posted by  bioguy

This should be an entertaining discussion. Hold on, let me grab a beer and some popcorn! :-)

Jan 5, 2013 10:29 pm
 Posted by  antlerjunkie

Bio,

That was pretty funny, I really did laugh out loud. Im from Pa. but live in NY, and a Saturday starter and Sunday hunting ain't so bad.

Jan 5, 2013 10:32 pm
 Posted by  apollodog

RKJL78: Here here I couldn't agree more. But of course getting that one passed is going to take a miracle. But hey this might be a start.

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